I’ve had a long day. My truck’s brakes are grinding, my window regulator burned out on my driver’s side so I couldn’t open my window, some asshat backed out without looking in a parking lot and I had to stomp so hard on my brakes I heard a concerning noise in my front end, my truck started idling roughly…I had to wait 25 minutes for a flu shot on my way home from an endocrinologist appointment that left me annoyed that my primary latched on to me being bipolar and passed that along, so now the most pressing issue is me being bipolar instead of the fact that I gained substantial weight last year and haven’t lost a pound of it this year despite diet and exercise — oh, and now I think I probably have a tumor and am going to die…and now I can’t even download the images I wanted to use in this blog.
So right now, wine is the best thing that ever happened.
At least tomorrow I get to pick up my new car and I have a long weekend ahead of me.
Oh, and I quit therapy this week.
This blog was inspired by a Facebook post I saw this past week. A mother with maybe a toddler-aged kid shared a link and said she’d never gotten a flu shot, and now neither her nor her son would ever get one. (I hope you appreciate my punny title now.)
I had to click.
I knew it would be bullshit before I even looked at it, but oh well.
So the theme of this post, once again, is that people can be stupid and science is misunderstood and used to scare people. Basically, people are anti-science.
Pretty much that.
Except maybe more than half.
I have lots of pictures for this post. Buckle up.
But let me first discuss the link above. As usual, you probably don’t really need to read it because I’ll quote so heavily from it here.
Fair warning: I’m going to bitch about lack of citations often.
“The verdict is out on flu shots. Many medical experts now agree it is more important to protect yourself and your family from the flu vaccine than the flu itself. Every year the pharmaceutical industry, medical experts and the mainstream media work hard to convince us to get vaccinated against the flu. But we’re not being told the whole story. What we don’t hear, are cases about the adverse reactions or about the toxic chemicals being injected into us.”
Oye…what so-called “medical experts” did you ask? Homeopathic “doctors” (who might somehow benefit from your rejection of real medicine)?
I’m pretty sure you should still try to avoid the flu more than the vaccine. But I just have a degree in biology and am pursuing my PhD in biology. (I’m probably going to say that a lot too — I’m establishing ethos.)
“Pharmaceutical industry” and “mainstream media” are two warning keywords for me. Also, are these the same “medical experts” from the first sentence who don’t like vaccines?
Oh good, a bolded sentence for impact and a poorly-placed comma. It’s not even a comma splice! It’s just…an unnecessary comma. Maybe you meant to italicize “don’t”?
Sorry, incorrect comma usage bothers me greatly.
Ooh, toxic chemicals. Can you name even one? Also, do you know if it’s at a toxic level? Water can kill you in large enough amounts. Just saying…
Let me actually get to the reasons not to get vaccinated:
“The flu shot actually makes you sick to begin with
Have you ever noticed how vaccinated children get sick almost immediately following a vaccination? This is because the flu virus is introduced into their bodies. So rather than immunize, the flu shot actually only sensitizes the body against the virus. And the fact that it causes individuals to get ill following a shot indicates immuno-suppression (i.e. lowering of the immunity).”
Yes, that’s how a vaccine works.
Allow me to quote the CDC on how a vaccine does its magical thing: “Vaccines help develop immunity by imitating an infection. This type of infection, however, does not cause illness, but it does cause the immune system to produce T-lymphocytes and antibodies. Sometimes, after getting a vaccine, the imitation infection can cause minor symptoms, such as fever. Such minor symptoms are normal and should be expected as the body builds immunity. Once the imitation infection goes away, the body is left with a supply of ‘memory’ T-lymphocytes, as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that disease in the future” (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/patient-ed/conversations/downloads/vacsafe-understand-color-office.pdf).
So yes, the vaccine is the virus, but a weakened version so the body can fight it. Yes, you may feel sick as your body’s immune system (which is pretty fucking amazing, if you ask me) fights it off so it’s ready for the real thing, should it encounter it. Trust me, a mild sickness after a flu shot is way better compared to actually getting the damn flu. (Dave agrees and he’s had the flu.)
Consider it an insurance policy. Yeah, it sucks to make payments (i.e. get a little sick), but you’re glad you have it when you rear-end someone or your house burns down (i.e. stumble across some poor soul with the flu).
And sensitizing the body (which I’m going to say means introducing it to the virus ahead of time and building an immune response; not sure what else it might mean here) is immunization. What the hell else would it be?
It doesn’t cause everyone to get sick, and even in those that it does, it’s not immunosuppression. You’re sick, not immuno-compromised.
That was just the first reason. What have I taken on?
“Flu vaccines contain other dangerous ingredients such as mercury
The pharmaceutical industry, medical experts and the mainstream media are candid in telling us that flu vaccines contain strains of the flu virus. What they are less likely to reveal though is the long list of other ingredients that come with the vaccine. It is now a known fact that flu vaccines contain mercury, a heavy metal known to be hazardous for human health. Mercury toxicity can cause depression, memory loss, cardiovascular diseases, respiratory problems, ADD, oral health problems, digestive imbalances and other serious health issues.”
Lots of things have long lists of ingredients. Go check out your kitchen.
And shouldn’t mercury be safe? Because, you know, you can pronounce it.
It’s not like I’m injecting liquid mercury into my body. Also consider the amount and form. Oxygen is in water — yay! It’s also in carbon monoxide — boo!
And as I said above, the amount matters. Dark chocolate is good in moderation; a pound every day is not.
Here’s what the CDC has to say on Mercury in vaccines: “Thimerosal is a vaccine additive, added to some vaccines to prevent germs (like bacteria and fungi) from growing in them. If germs grow in vaccines, they can cause illness—or even death” (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/faqs.html).
Of course, the logic that bacteria in your vaccine is worse than mercury presupposes that vaccines are a good thing.
Also, “You may have heard that thimerosal has mercury in it. Not all types of mercury are the same. Some types of mercury, like mercury in some kinds of fish, stay in the human body and can make people sick. Thimerosal is a different kind of mercury. It doesn’t stay in the body, and is unlikely to make us sick” (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/faqs.html).
Is the CDC an acceptable source for anti-vaxxers? I don’t know. Unfortunately I’m reasonable and don’t think everything (but nature, oddly enough) is trying to kill me.
It’s funny how non-science people are afraid of vaccines, GMOs, and so on — science, basically, while science people aren’t. Maybe because we live and breathe — and understand — science?
“The flu shot can cause Alzheimer’s disease
Evidence now suggests that flu vaccines can cause Alzheimer’s disease. Research conducted by Dr. Hugh Fudenberg, a leading immunogeneticist, shows that those who consistently get the flu vaccine increase their risk of Alzheimer’s disease by 10 fold. He believes this is due to the toxic combination of aluminum and mercury in the vaccine. Additionally, introducing the flu virus to an elderly person (who with age will naturally have a weaker immune system) will only increase the chances of that individual becoming susceptible to more serious illness.”
First of all, there are different doses for different age groups. Like that’s that.
I googled Hugh Fudenburg and the one of the first results was Bill Maher: Antivaccination wingnut. After an excerpt from an interview, the author does a little digging on Maher’s sources, and sets us straight on Fudenberg. (Just read it.) So…consider who your sources are quoting. What exactly is he leading in regarding immunology or genetics? Quackery? Woo?
This link also balks at the assertion that the flu vaccine makes you ten times more likely to get Alzheimer’s.
Here, a quote:
“MAHER: I’m not into western medicine. That to me is a complete scare tactic. It just shows you, you can…
KING: You mean you don’t get a — you don’t get a flu shot?
MAHER: A flu shot is the worst thing you can do.
MAHER: Because it’s got — it’s got mercury.
KING: It prevents flu.
MAHER: It doesn’t prevent. First of all, that’s…
KING: I haven’t had the flu in 25 years since I’ve been taking a flu shot.
MAHER: Well, I hate to tell you, Larry, but if you have a flu shot for more than five years in a row, there’s ten times the likelihood that you’ll get Alzheimer’s disease. I would stop getting your…
KING: What did you say?
MAHER: That went better in rehearsal but it was still good. Absolutely, no the defense against disease is to have a strong immune system. A flu shot just compromises your immune system.”
Way to quote a wacko, anti-vaxxers. Unfortunately there’s more good science supporting vaccines than shit science badmouthing it.
But y’all cherry-pick, don’t you?
Man, I was hoping I wouldn’t have to respond to all of these points, but it looks like I’m going to. Son of a bitch.
Can’t people just be smarter?
“The very people pushing flu vaccinations are making billions of dollars each year
In August 1999, the Committee on Government Reform initiated an investigation into Federal vaccine policy. This investigation focused on possible conflicts of interest on the part of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The investigation concluded that many individuals serving on two key advisory committees had financial ties to the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture vaccines. Often, these individuals were granted waivers to fully participate in the discussions that led to recommendations on vaccine licensing and adding vaccines to the Childhood Immunization Schedule. This in itself creates serious doubt as to how effective flu vaccines really are.”
Financial ties doesn’t mean the vaccine is no good. I may be attending RPI, but I have to say apparently it’s a decent school. I didn’t think it was that great but everyone is impressed that I got in and got a full ride with a job, so…
So everyone with some investment isn’t necessarily evil.
Again, pharmaceutical scare tactics (maybe I’ll call them PST from now on) and also, I’d love to see your references for this.
Oh, and this:
“Lack of real evidence that young children even benefit from flu shots
51 studies involving 260,000 children age 6 to 23 months established no evidence that the flu vaccine is any more effective than a placebo. Additionally, flu shots only protect against certain strains of the virus meaning that you can still easily get the flu if you come into contact with a different strain of virus.”
What is real evidence? Like, evidence? As compared to your non-evidence (like Wikipedia or conversations with your mom’s friend’s neighbor about this shit)? WERE ARE YOUR CITATIONS? I REFUSE TO BELIEVE YOU WITHOUT CITATIONS (AND REFERENCES). IF YOU’RE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO TALK SCIENCE, CITE SCIENCE. HOLY SHIT.
And yes, flu shots protect against the strain deemed threatening for this year. I learned in an immunology class that we look for the first cases of the flu and then make the vaccine based on those strains…so we know what we’re dealing with. The idea is that last years’ strains died out…because smart people got vaccinated or dumb people got sick and died (okay, that might be exaggeration). Yes, this year’s shot is for this year’s strain…because that’s the worrisome one.
“Makes you more susceptible to pneumonia and other contagious diseases
For someone with an already suppressed immune system, injecting strains of the flu virus can have devastating consequences. If your body is already working to fight off a virus or simply operating with low immunity, a vaccine injection could put your body in serious danger of contracting influenza with stronger symptoms, or even worse pneumonia and other contagious diseases.”
You wouldn’t be given a vaccine if you had a suppressed immune system. Being sick isn’t the same as having a suppressed immune system, as I said above.
Medical research shows flu shots are associated with an increased risk of vascular inflammation. Symptoms include fever, jaw pain, muscle aches, pain and stiffness in the neck, upper arms, shoulder and hips and headache.”
What medical research? Cite. It’ll probably be bullshit anyway, but cite it so I can be sure.
“Children under the age of 1 are at risk
Children under 1 years of age are highly vulnerable to a neurotoxic breach of the delicate nerve center surrounding the brain and central nervous system. The first round of the flu vaccine is administered at age 6 months. A child under the age of 1 lacks sufficient protection to guard against premature damage to the blood barrier in the brain.”
Here’s another instance here citations would be great. As I said, there are different dosages for different ages. I’m not really sure where you got this blood-brain barrier stuff from. Please share. Because right now it sounds like you just threw random words together and hoped they came out coherent.
“Increased risk of narcolepsy
There have been dozens of reported cases of children in 12 different countries who have developed narcolepsy (a chronic sleep disorder) after receiving the flu vaccine. The study, which took place between October 2009 and the December 2011, compared 3.3 million vaccinated Swedes with 2.5 million who were not vaccinated. The risk was found to be highest among the youngest people who took the vaccines. For those under the age of 21, the risk of contracting narcolepsy was three times higher.”
Sources. Or else you’re pulling this out of your ass. No, you’re so deep as to be in the duodenum.
“Weakens immunological responses
There have been literally thousands of medical journal articles published that show injecting vaccines can lead to harmful immunological responses and a host of other infections. Moreover, weak immunological responses only decrease a person’s ability to fight the diseases that the vaccine was supposed to protect against in the first place.”
You used “literally,” so I stopped listening.
Seriously though, people with suppressed immune systems won’t receive the vaccine anyway and I’ll bet that vaccines prevent a hell of a lot more infections than they cause.
“Serious neurological disorders
Evidence now suggests that ingredients in flu vaccinations can actually cause serious neurological disorders. In 1976 a significant number of those who received the flu vaccine acquired Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), a disorder characterized by permanent nerve damage and even paralysis. Flu vaccines can contain many harmful materials including detergent, mercury, formaldehyde, and strains of live flu virus.”
We already went over formaldehyde in vaccines.
Also, again, vaccines are strains of viruses. Good job, you got that through your thick skull. The viruses aren’t just live, though; they’re attenuated. That means they’re been made to be less virulent. They are weaker.
Oh, and what fucking evidence? You’re citing 1976! Surely there’s something more recent. Also, as I said above, consider the form and amount of these horrible chemicals.
Allow me to dump some memes, because memes are their own language.
That was a short dump.
I do have a plan for this blog. First let me discuss some of the comments on this person’s post. They’re in no particular order because, well, they don’t have to be.
I’ll get back to the “money making scam” in a bit, but yes, it’s a different strain every year and they use the current year’s strain to make the vaccine. You can protect yourself from an “ever changing virus”…it’s called the flu vaccine.
Maybe people just don’t know how it works?
Even if last year’s wasn’t the right one, it’s not like you’re worse off for getting it. Now you’re ready when that strain strikes.
But I do have to say I love the last comment here. I tip my hat to you, sir. I’ll get to that later also.
SHEEPLE ALERT. You know when someone throws around sheeple they’re not fucking around.
It’s also a signal not to take them seriously. Unless, of course, they’re using it satirically.
I just don’t get the selective acceptance and rejection. Measles vaccine okay, flu vaccine big no-no. Why? Because the flu varies year to year?
“Take vitamin C and zinc, drink lots of tea, carry hand sanitizer and get enough sleep. That’s how I avoid massive colds.”
But not the flu. Those things may help, but they’re no flu shot. I’m fairly certain you don’t have a degree in anything biology-related,* so maybe stop doling out medical advice.
*At least I study biology. I may not be a medical doctor, but I know how the body works.
Um, no, a lot of people died from now-preventable diseases.
It’s a it blurry (but there’s a citation), but there were over 3,000 deaths from polio in a year. No, polio doesn’t seem like a big deal now, but that’s because people were afraid and dying didn’t sound too good, so they got their damn vaccinations and we’ve eradicated one type and drastically reduced the numbers of another (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs114/en/). You take for granted what previous generations went through and like a spoiled little brat don’t appreciate what science has done for you. You can walk and, moreover, you’re not dead.
You’re fucking welcome.
“I refuse to get the flu shot. If I get it naturally then by all means I’ll accept that shit.”
First of all, you also don’t get how vaccines work. Second, you accept naturally getting the flu and feeling like shit, but preventing it is bad? What? Natural is better even if you get the flu??? Another issue I’ll talk about later.
Also, I asked my mom what she thought of vaccines, and here if her response:
“My opinion varies depending on the vaccination. Many vaccines have been well tested and I do believe they are beneficial…mumps, measles, chickenpox…I have issues with the flu vaccines that are manufactured each year for the strain they THINK MAY hit. Some of the vaccines…actually I believe it was a “preservative in them” that is suspected of being linked to autism and Alzheimer’s…but that was single dose vials not multidose. My issue is lack of testing because of time constraints. Generally I would stay away, but, heading off to college with thousands of other people, especially where being really sick for a week would be detrimental…I think it is worth the possible risk. Things like Guardasil…why? I mean it was not tested short or long term. I believe it was not an issue for young people not having sex…so why? So some vaccinations definitely…others yes depending…others a definite no.”
When I was younger, I received my vaccinations — I had to be held down, but I got them. The one my mom refused was the Guardasil vaccine. As she said above, it hadn’t been around long enough for her. She wanted to know it wouldn’t have any side effects years down the road. (Keep in mind this was probably ten years ago.I was informed just the other day that 22 is the age limit for receiving it.)
At the time, I was happy because it meant less shots and less needles.
I also didn’t think I’d be having sex before I was married, and HPV was sexually transmitted. If my boyfriend and I weren’t each others’ firsts, he could just be tested and we’d be cool. No need for a vaccine.
I don’t quite regret not getting that vaccine, and I understand my mom’s reasoning, but still…
Well, honestly, I’ve chanced it the past few years by not getting a flu shot, mostly because I abhor needles and the shot always makes my arm spasm into my hand and it’s just a weird and unpleasant feeling.
I wasn’t going to get one this year, but after reading that post and deciding to write this blog, I realized I kind of had to for credibility. I can’t tell you vaccines are safe and cool and then refuse to get one myself.
So I confronted my fear of needles (well, pain) and got a flu shot.
Here’s my proof:
This happened. I got my flu shot. My arm hurts.
I got a flu shot to prove a point more than guard against the flu.
That’s how devoted I am to this blog and this point.
Anyway, my mom hit on one thing I’ll discuss briefly, which is autism and vaccines. The guy who published the study was proven wrong and banned from practicing medicine. I can’t quote this because it’s common knowledge to me, but I’m sure if you google it, you’ll find it.
But here are some links talking about how vaccines don’t cause autism: New Meta-analysis Confirms: No Association between Vaccines and Autism and Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism
Unfortunately, this one bit of bad science held on and a lot of people believed it.
Even if this were the choice, dead or autistic, holy hell, I’d like my child to be alive. Autism isn’t the end of the world, as evidenced by my delightful brother. Nate may be socially awkward (like, worse than me), but he’s smart as hell. Sometimes I wish I could be as blunt (and remorseless) as him.
I used to hate how he made everything into a debate but I think now my brain could use it. Because Dave won’t debate with me.
Oh, and obviously you don’t “catch” autism. I think a lot of people know early on that their child is non-verbal, engages in hand-flapping, and so on. Your social five-year-old isn’t suddenly going to “come down” with autism because they got a vaccination.
Anyway, my mom is an intelligent person (my brother and I had to get it from somewhere), yet she’s still wary of the flu shot. (She said in a later email she did get it this year though.)
I guess it’s because it’s a different strain every year. I schooled her a bit — I couldn’t help it — about how they wait until it’s hit then make the vaccine.
I didn’t want to be a dick, but it’s hard being a science person when science is misunderstood.
People have turned science into fads:
I tried a low carb diet and experienced bad GI upset, so that’s out for me. I’m pro-vaccines and antibiotics — as long as they’re not overused and creating an antibiotic-resistant strain.
And look, I’m still alive.
The cat litter one just makes me smile. If only I trusted my cats to shit outside without getting hit by a car.
And clearly that girl knows how to make money. Much like supermarkets.
Anyway, this isn’t really science. If you have Celiacs, then yes, avoid gluten. It’s like lactose intolerance, but somehow that didn’t catch on.
People are all too happy to latch onto fads, which may or may not be (most likely may not) be based on real science.
And my favorite:
So live it up. Have another glasss of wine.
I have a friend who once asked me if he could alkalize his body by drinking lemon juice or something. I’ve been searching for the text to screenshot it, but can’t find it. However, I found a lot of other pseudoscientific gems.
I couldn’t even figure out what the hell he meant because it made no sense to me. (This was before I knew trying to “alkalize” your body was thing.) I’m not sure why attempting to change your pH balance is a thing, except that someone (David Wolfe?) told you to.
Do people get bored with their normal lives and decide they need to shake it up a bit? Take up a hobby. Go on vacation. Adopt a cat. Don’t try to alter your body’s normal functioning.
It works the way it does for a reason.
Yes, your thyroid may not work like it should and so you take medication, but your blood should remain at a happy pH 7.4. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
I don’t even know how people get sucked into these things except that they don’t get science.
But like, why is the post on why not to get flu vaccines any better than this one about flu vaccine myths (i.e. pro flu shot)? 6 Flu Vaccine Myths
Among the myths: “You can get the flu, or a mild case of it, from the flu vaccine…The flu vaccine may not be safe for pregnant women or babies…Antibiotics can fight the flu if you get it…You don’t need to get the flu vaccine if you got it last year — the strains are basically the same…The flu vaccine contains thiomerosal, which may be harmful…Getting the flu can be a pain, but it’s not really a serious disease, so vaccination isn’t helpful.”
Is it because these points don’t agree with your preconceived notions, your pre-existing bias?
Yes, I’m a science person, so I’m biased toward science. I’m open to debate, but will hold strongly to previously-held views. (I could make a joke about how that’s more religion than science, but I won’t.) My “previously-held views” here are scientifically backed. I’m a science person. I speak the language of science. I know how science works. I know good science from bad science. I know woo from fact.
And I cling to to assertion that if your average person, even if they were anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, anti-[insert-scientific-thing-here], actually understood the science behind it, they wouldn’t be so against it, if at all.
The problem is that there’s so much misinformation, misunderstanding, and people profiting from spreading a fear of science.
Let me take David Wolfe as an example. People who don’t follow science pages on Facebook probably know him as someone who lauds a peaceful life in a cabin rather than a city life obsessed with the almighty dollar.
But he also peddles pure bullshit.
He said gravity is a toxin. It causes arthritis. Click this link and watch the video. I shit you not. It’s all bullshit, but he actually says gravity is a toxin at 3:46. (There’s some good crazy about static electricity in the beginning; I didn’t care to watch the rest): Guess Which Mammals Don’t Get Arthritis (Hint: Sleep Upside Down, No Pillows!)
GRAVITY IS NOT A TOXIN. We kind of need gravity. Alcohol is a toxin. Cigarette smoke is a toxin. David Wolfe is a toxin. Gravity is not.
Are we clear?
But people believe him. They believe that kind of batshit crazy (ha, punny).
The same friend I mentioned above believes microwaves cause cancer by irradiating your water, which affects your food. In ninth grade biology, someone asked if we could die standing in front of our microwave. The response was, “Yeah, if someone shoots you while you stand in front of it.”
He also went on about bad energies and needing positive anions and how vibrations from technology affect us and cause cancer…I only let him go on because I was enthralled by how ridiculous it was.
But when he started going after GMOs I had to correct him. Or at least try.
But why are people so heavily biased against science? I don’t get it.
Because they don’t understand it? I don’t understand men and I live with a man. I don’t understand all the intricacies of building a vehicle, yet I drive two. I don’t understand why my cats run around at three AM but that doesn’t stop me from loving them.
Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s bad or should be avoided.
Except the anti-science trend. I don’t understand that and it’s bad. There are limits.
People seem obsessed with natural shit these days.
There is likely nothing you’ll encounter in your lifetime that’s chemical free. There are very few exceptions.
We need to stop hating on science and those who pursue it. Like it or not, we know better than you.
I can tell Dave the same point ten times, but if he hears it from someone else, they’re right. Or if I point out a biological inaccuracy in a show or movie (or when he quotes something from a show or movie), I’m wrong and the movie is right.
He does the latter to annoy me (telling me that I just have a BS in biology and I’m just going for my PhD in biology), but I think a lot of people share this attitude.
But for some reason this natural, organic trend caught on like wildfire. And it doesn’t help that companies and stores accommodate it. They devote aisles to it, brag about how they’re natural or organic — or non-GMO…I make a point of not buying things that claim they’re non-GMO. It breaks my heart that Doritos betrayed me. Stop catering to bored 40-something-year-old mothers who need to feel superior and start catering to scientists, because we and our vaccines are the reason you’re not dead from a preventable disease.
Just saying, we’ve contributed a lot more than 40-ish mothers. All they did was add humans to the world, and we’d be better off with less people.
Hell, maybe I should delete this post and let some people avoid vaccines and suffer the consequences…
Natural isn’t better. Nature is constantly trying to kill you. It’s natural selection. Selection. Like, you’re supposed to fight to survive. If you want to fight for your life against a disease rather than get a vaccine, cool. You’re a dumbass. Clearly you shouldn’t reproduce anyway.
Naturally we’d live to maybe 30 or so, eat a lot of red meat, and pretty much base our lives around finding food and perhaps reproducing (okay, so that last one wouldn’t be so different).
Oh, and not dying. Talk about goals.
Believe me, I wouldn’t want to live the way other animals were intended to.
We’re lucky we live so comfortably that we can worry about hormones in our food and whether the farmer used pesticides.
And to the people who do (particularly the ones who get all self-righteous over it): get over yourselves. Aw, you don’t eat animals or anything Monsanto might have touched. You’re not superior to me because of that. You’re just more pretentious and annoying, and rightly so, you pay more to be that way.
Maybe we should label GMO food so I know to buy those brands.
Sorry, for a predator humans are surprisingly herdlike, and for that I hate them (among many reasons).
Let me also point out that “science” isn’t trying to make money off you. In the comments I discussed above, someone said that the flu shot was a “money making scam.” While talking with my mom about my endocrine woes, she told me I should stop going if I felt I was getting the run-around and it was just about making money.
I suspect that most people going into a medical field are in it to help people…because that large paycheck is going to go to paying med school loans for a long time.
I went into a biological field hoping to discover something awesome that will help people…just without the human contact.
So it’s likely fueled by a desire to help people directly, or it’s fueled by a desire to help people indirectly.
It’s not about money.
Let me repost that image from above:
To people who think we have the cure to cancer and we’re just sitting on it because we’d rather make money: are you fucking kidding me? We’d at least use it on kids with cancer because they could still possibly become intelligent adults, unlike you. We probably wouldn’t use our secret anti-cancer powers on you, because you’re dumb and you wouldn’t believe us anyway and you’d probably think we poisoned that as well. See above for how natural selection would select against dumbasses.
Any job is ultimately about money, but if we’re working to better your health, maybe we have an investment that runs deeper than a paycheck.
When I’m doing research for a living, I’m likely going to be funded by NIH or NSF or something like that. They want good science. They won’t fund me if my science isn’t good. And it’s hard to do science without funding.
Why is everyone so convinced that doctors/researchers are only concerned with money? Like we’ll publish or practice anything to make a dollar? It doesn’t work like that.
Yes, we may have issues with our healthcare system (but unfortunately the dichotomy is not helping everyone or…socialism), but I don’t think your primary is evil just because the system is bad. Your physician doesn’t go into work each day wondering how they can make the biggest buck, nor how much they can make you and/or your insurance pay.
But common sense isn’t everyone’s strong suit.
What answer were you looking for? I mean, I know what you were looking for, but did you really expect a professional to tell you vaccines were bad when all the other medical professionals tell you the same thing? Did you think he would be an exception? That’s the only reason I can imagine you even asked him.
And no, you don’t know more about vaccines than someone with a PhD. With a bachelor’s in biology I know more than you about vaccines. After taking a single college immunology course, I knew more than you do about vaccines.
Just because he didn’t validate your previously held beliefs doesn’t mean he’s wrong. It’s not like you were testing him — does he know the “right” answer? No, you were asking him for his opinion because you wanted to take it as fact…except you didn’t like what he said.
Like this person actually thinks they’re smarter (i.e. more educated) than someone with a PhD (in a relevant field) just because the PhD holder didn’t tell them what they wanted to hear. That’s scary.
People just don’t like to be told things that contradict their beliefs.
Let me take a moment to summarize an old post (Can I Get an Amen?): my religious beliefs don’t impede my science career and I don’t think science is the antithesis of religion. Science tells us about life and nature, but can’t really prove or disprove religion’s claims. You can give me all the data you want and it’s not going to tell me about whether or not God exists. However, it can tell me whether or not a vaccine is safe. It can tell me about whether GMOs are safe. Because vaccines and GMOs are science. Religion is not.
But people get as fired up over GMOs and vaccines as they do religion:
Let me respond to this with a meme:
Seriously though, you’re going to “literally” get all up at arms (get it?) about vaccines?
And we definitely don’t need a Facebook page called “Health Thugs.”
Let’s face it, you, a 40-something-year-old mom driving a minivan who follows Natural News too closely is not going to shoot up the League of Vaccine Enforcers. You’re not as badass as you like to think; with your strictly organic, non-GMO, gluten-free, vegan diet. If the apocalypse was suddenly upon us, scavengers who will eat anything (like me) would survive and you’d be the first to go. You also would not have been selected for. You go against all our evolutionary success.
Also, for everyone who’s all organic and shit, please tell me you don’t dare touch alcohol or anything with refined sugar in it. Go big or go home.
On another note, it concerns me that anti-vaxxers are so intense as to imply the use of guns against vaccinations.
Forced vaccinations are for the health of your child, because clearly you can’t be trusted. You’re so crazy as to threaten violence against vaccinations.
If you’re this against vaccinations, don’t have children.
If I were a doctor, I would definitely refuse to see unvaccinated patients and would school any parents that tried to tell me they didn’t want their kids vaccinated.
It’s not fair to make them pay for your stupidity.
Let me make just one more related point. Yes, you’re almost to the end.
When I talk about doing research, I actually did respectable research. No, I didn’t take the issue up in the lab, but I do my best to look for reputable sources and I don’t cherry-pick.
But as science person, I know how to do research and what’s good research.
When your average person does “research,” Wikipedia, forums, and non-scientific (more personal experience) blogs get picked…because those are the only things that support their anti-science claims.
Yes, my blog is personal, but when I talk science, I mean it. I would never disrespect science.
A personal anecdote or an uncontrolled, undocumented home experiment don’t constitute science, and they can’t be used to argue against science. It’s like pitting your fifth-grade little league team against an MLB team, or racing your go-kart against a Viper.
But with science it’s not just that it’s not fair; it just can’t compare.
So stop claiming you “did you research.” Because I’ve done better research.
So I’ll settle for this: please don’t fear science because you don’t understand it,\ or because someone tells you to. Consider where they’re coming from and consult a scientist. Trust me, we’re more concerned about good science than money.
Science isn’t here to hurt; it’s here to help.